Tuesday, 11 August 2009

Pool's Now Open

Hellcats has reopened recruitment.

People make a big deal of the Hellcats being a women-only corp. It's what attracts many of our applicants, and you know what? Everyone's got their focus wrong. We're pirates. We may be all female, but we are pirates first. We've had to put strict regulations on our application procedure because too many women simply wanted to be in a corp with only other women. This is the wrong reason for wanting to join us, and so many of the recent applicants just do not seem to understand that.

In the early days, Hellcats got our applicants from women who heard about us and had already been in the action for a while. The corp was an unknown and didn't have a reputation beyond Mynxee's public journal; women applied because they wanted in on the action, not a place to knit and gossip. Mynx and I had both been yarring it up for ages before Hellcats was even on the radar. It's only been in recent months that we've had women asking to join because their husbands/brothers/male friends have said, 'It's an all-female corp! you'll fit right in!'

Words cannot express the frustration.

It is from this 'recommendees pool' that we get the sorts of applicants we really don't want in the corporation. YES, I said there are people we don't want. What do we look like, Mrs Biddle's Happy Tea Society?

We get the sorts of women who are accustomed to leaning on others and letting them do all the work; the types who make their way through life by wrapping others around their delicate little fingers and whining for 'help'; the ones who'd rather sit around gossiping and painting their nails whilst riding on the credit of the group. These women are useless, or worse than. We may take raw rookies from time to time, but only if they show initiative and are willing to follow instructions; we are not a training corporation. We do not teach women to fly their ships; they should already know this. We do not accept women who can't bear the risks involved in an outlaw lifestyle or who simply want to wear the corp logo on their flight jackets.

We've even had a few applicants who detest the idea of working with men, which is so wrong I don't really know how to express it. Hellcats is not anti-male. We've been proud members of The Bastards. alliance and Doom Armada, and our more experienced members have previously served cheerfully in corps in which they were the only woman. We have husbands and boyfriends and generally get along better with guys. When an applicant says she doesn't want to fly with men... we really don't know what to say, because we can't understand why someone would not want to work with them.

An applicant walking into my office and being pushy, self-centred, passive-aggressive and trying to jump our now standard recruitment steps is not going to get into Hellcats. Someone who asks to join, then ignores all the relevant Read This First! information I give them whilst acting like they're already in and talking about how awesome they are is NOT going to impress upon us that they will be a benefit to the corporation. I'm a diplomat, and what that means is that while I'm smiling, nodding and being helpful, I'm making a note on our management boards that that woman is never to be accepted to the corp.

Yes, NEVER. She has wrecked her chances forever based on the first impression she has presented.

How many times do we have to say this?

So you want to go kill stuff? Go! Fit up a ship and run rampant through lowsec, you don't need a corp to do that. In the meantime, you'll have to go through the process like everyone else. If a girl simply cannot wait, then she lacks the most vital attribute in a pirate's arsenal: patience. Without that, a pilot is useless and a liability.

Hellcats recruitment is open. Please see the information here if you have any questions. If you wish to be considered as an applicant, by all means, join us in the Hellcats Pub comms channel, express your intentions and we'll see about getting you started!

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Good post and let me reinforce what Shae has said. Hellcats are a pirate corp made up exclusively of women. PIRATE corp first and damn good pirates to boot. They know their ships and have tactics and The Bastards are damn proud and honoured to have them alongside us as equal partners. Shae has been doing a sterling job vetting the recruits and results speak for themselves.
Shae has spoken *respect*
"It's only been in recent months that we've had women asking to join because their husbands/brothers/male friends have said, 'It's an all-female corp! you'll fit right in!'"

I love this attitude. I, for one, have never thought 'It's an all male corp - I'll fit right in!"
Shae's putting the boots on and the foot firmly down folks!

Hopefully people will think more before jumping in to join you guys, and give you less headaches to deal with \o/
This post so clearly demonstrates all that I love about you, Shae, and why you are so very valuable to our mission. I couldn't have said any of this nearly as well as you have, since my less-than-diplomatic response to the more appalling hopefuls is typically "I can tell right this second you're not a good fit. There's the door. Bye."

I have linked this post in our recruitment info and EVE-O recruitment post so that when recruitment does open again, the type of pilots we will be seeking is conveyed loud and clear.

Thanks for being awesome, Shae. ♥
1 reply · active 816 weeks ago
Well, it beats ranting in the Pub whenever someone says, 'I've found a kitten for you!' Every time that line comes up, I cringe because it'll be another. 'She's a girl! You're all girls! It's perfect!' mess. At least now I no longer need to repeat myself!
Perhaps it would best be phrased that the Hellcats are pirates first, women second. A non-pirating lady would be as big a disruption in the corp as a male, if not bigger.

You could always tell the non-pirate ladies that they are welcome to go found their own corps for their kaffeeklatsch hen parties. If there's a market for that sort of thing, others will join them. Find a need and fill it, is what I say...
1 reply · active 816 weeks ago
It IS phrased like that on our EVE-O recruitment post and recruitment info on our own forums. But regardless of whether we say WOMEN PIRATES or PIRATE WOMEN, both descriptors are integral to the definition of who we are and what we do in New Eden. Unfortunately, a lot of people fail to seriously consider what the PIRATE half of the equation infers about our play style and our mindset.
Whew! A no bones post.

One line written:

"Yes, NEVER. She has wrecked her chances forever based on the first impression she has presented."

Shiver my bones as a pirate. NEVER is a long long time.
1 reply · active less than 1 minute ago
I've yet to see a zebra change its stripes when it comes to attitude and personality. With some people, I can make a 100% accurate assessment in a single 15 minute conversation--especially if Shae, Venom or any other tough-minded Hellcat is in the convo too and provides corroborating feedback. For those less easy to assess, there are mechanisms available that allow us to get to know them so that a more informed assessment can be made after more time. But once a decision is made, it is firm. We don't have time or patience to fuck about with wishy-washy bullshit.
*gulp*
1 reply · active 816 weeks ago
We've had a few... unpleasant experiences which have helped generate our attitude about things ^_^ Getting into a cotp which is looking for a specific sort of person is far more like a RL job interview than joining a corp where people just do their own thing.
That was impressive. Laid it on the line about as clear as clear can be.

You seemed to express the frustration very well, imo.

Mrs. Biddle's Happy Tea Society - ROFL. Yes, what would you like in your tea dear? Antimatter or EMP? Some Thunderbolt on the side, perhaps? Don't forget to leave your ransom on the way out.
So when is recruitment going to reopen?

I need to know so I can put my app in and join the HellKittehs!
Well said Shae, that should sort the ladies from the girls (or something like that). Remind me never to piss you off ^^
Good post.

And I like your:
"the types who make their way through life by wrapping others around their delicate little fingers and whining for 'help"
I´ve seen this in online games plenty.. but I guess it is easy to fall into the trap of getting helped all the way because guys in games such as this seems so overwhelmed that a girl is playing that they will give time and money to a complete stranger just cuz its a girl.

my sister-inlaw does not reveal she is a female anymore because of things like this.
ingame that is.
:P
1 reply · active 816 weeks ago
People in some of my corps/alliances have randomly given me stuff/ISK for no apparent reason; unless they're known for being generous, it really pisses me off, because I expect to be treated no differently from any other player.
I absolutely hated recruiting. So many one week hopefulls and too many stay forever losers.
Nice post, keep up the YARRRRing :)
Pirates first, ladies second, gotcha.

You girls can really put on a good RAWR :D
I am prompted to mention that some RL female players can be the bane of highsec corps and alliances. Drama Queen trolls who never leave their stations and trash technical discussions and generally make a mess of longstanding relationships among serious players. We have male trolls of course, but the female DQT is a particularly nasty subset.

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