Hmph. Right.
I'm going to take a little break here and talk about something that's become kind of a big deal with me recently. I say 'kind of' because it's not something I would ordinarily do in Eve had I not a very good reason for it.
Now, let us postulate that you live in a very strange part of the world, and that you've been a street thug for years. You've never been caught, and your activites of stealing, murdering and shaking down hapless passers-by for coin have made you a wealthy, wealthy man (or woman, if you prefer; I tend to use 'man' as a catchall). People know you. It's pretty obvious to anyone what you do. Except that now you want to operate in a different part of your city where the police are tougher, and the rules are more stringent. In order to even get into that part of they city, you need to atone for your sins, as it were, and make up for your years of thievery in the eyes of the authorities.
Now, tell me: which of the following methods seems least realistic?
A) Bribing a contact to hack the system and clean up your record
B) Bribing the authorities to clear your record
C) Doing crappy unpaid piecework for someone important in order to get their 'word of honour' that you've cleaned up your act
D) Going out into the lawless regions and playing vigilante for a few weeks
After a week or two of very lazy sec-grinding -- yeah, lazy, I'm at -8.5 because it is SO dull and SO boring that there are days where I just cannot be arsed undocking -- I've realised that the CONCORD standings system makes very little sense. You spend years as an outlaw, and then go to a place where there are no sec-drops and kill NPCs for a couple weeks and come up smelling like roses. It's dull work, yes, but there ought to be more to it. The cost needs to be higher.
Case in point: I'm back up over a billion ISK in Shae's wallet. I'm being paid grandly for this. Now, I get that it's from pirate bounties, but if CONCORD's DED is in control of that, could they not simply deny payment to those with outlaw status? It's not like the outlaws could go waltzing into their highsec offices to beat the money out of the officers there, after all. Have you tried to get into Yulai as an outlaw? Well, sure, you can get in; getting out with your ship intact is a different matter entirely. You can't just dock up, either, because the stations won't let you in. Tough cookies.
It boggles the mind that CONCORD will not penalise you for other players killed in nullsec, yet will grant a full standings boost for every NPC you pop. Lawless means lawless: there shouldn't be any security changes down there. End of story.
But that means that you'd need an alternate way of boosting your standings, doesn't it? Hmm. Not many people are thrilled at the idea of ratting in lowsec. Knowing lowsec the way I do, neither am I. I have actually ratted there (shhhhhh, on an alt; I was introducing a friend to lowsec) but the lesser rewards mean it'd take much longer to raise standings out of the gutter.
Maybe the DED should have agents in nullsec, offering gruelling mission arcs. Only available to outlaws, situations CONCORD either doesn't have the strength to deal with or doesn't want to be seen getting involved in. Minimal pay, if any at all, but massive standings bonuses and the opportunity to pick up a piece or two of faction gear, similar to the Empire arcs. By the time you finish an arc, your standings are back up to -4, leaving you to figure out the rest yourself.
Sound good? It would certainly relieve the monotony of ratting sec up, add a bit more to Eve's massive background... and the risk would still be there, because you never know when the next branch will send you into a hot system. Give it the Sleeper AI so the difficulty scales with the type of ship -- or ships, if there's a group of you -- you bring in, and you're sorted.
Ah, but who am I to suggest such things? I'm one of the ones the current system is designed to punish for my predations on the community, after all.
*Returns to popping red crosses*
Tuesday, 26 January 2010
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Myrhial Arkenath 60p · 792 weeks ago
As for ratting giving sec status everywhere my best possible explanation of it is that spaceships have this little feed leading to CONCORD submitting all kill data to them. Since you get paid no matter who you are, and CONCORD doesn't use it to trace known criminal capsuleers down, every one of us gets to reap the benefits of it. I just sucked that right out of my thumb, but it sounds plausible no?
Shae_Tiann 52p · 792 weeks ago
It does make sense, but it doesn't cover capsuleer kills in nullsec. CONCORD would get that information, too; why would you not get a sec drop for it unless they were making exceptions for your location?
... More interesting being that you don't get a sec increase for every capsuleer outlaw you kill. That'd really shake things up ;)
Myrhial Arkenath 60p · 792 weeks ago
Raxip Elamp · 792 weeks ago
Imagine you're in a Western. You're a big bad bank robber, wanted dead or alive, and the sheriff will shoot you on sight if he ever catches you in his town again. Y'all ain't wanted there, in other words. So you go out to the plains, and round up a bunch of cattle rustlers or kill some natives who've been harassing the townsfolk. You show that to the Sheriff, and say you've mended your evil ways, that you wanna be a deputy now.
I think that's more the idea CCP was going for. Or they were drunk out of their minds.
Selina · 792 weeks ago
Either way, I'm actually guessing it's really just one of those silly by-laws buried deep in their justice system after thousands of years of mindless politicians.
Inglix the Mad · 792 weeks ago
Kirith Kodachi · 792 weeks ago
Shae_Tiann 52p · 792 weeks ago
Inglix the Mad · 792 weeks ago
Being a "murderer" in UO was a mark of (in the early days) PvP fortitude, since the early PK's did more than just kill miners. Just like being a (non-bug using) house thief was a testament to the patience and skill of the player.
I'd even take "statloss" (which, if you got to a certain point, made re-leveling the character just shy of pain inducing) to separate the hardcore from the wannabe's, especially if Eve kept it's "no deleting negative sec status characters" semi-rule.
Yes, I'm somewhat masochistic in that sense. Still nothing thrilled me more than the early days of playing a PK in UO. Then it got better with the tears of the wannabe's complaining about statloss. Had Origin had a similar rule to CCP about deleting "red" characters, I think UO would've survived without Trammel. As it was, Trammel ruined the game...
Shae_Tiann 52p · 792 weeks ago
If it were solely up to me, I'd stay outlaw. I'm happy in lowsec, pirating there is what I know best in Eve. I have no doubt that the devs probably discussed whether outlaws could regain their lost sec or not; it takes some serious dedicated pod-snatching to finally reach -10, it's not easy, and considering how annoyed most of us get when a fleetmate pops a rat ongrid and wrecks our perfect -10, I think they set it up the way it is deliberately.
Mynxee · 792 weeks ago
Shae_Tiann 52p · 792 weeks ago
Could also deal with the rest by running missions in lowsec or low highsec. Running an arc for DED wouldn't tilt people's standings with various NPC factions the way ratting does -- that's important to some people. And no, I was thinking it could be more nuanced, like the other arcs they've released for other NPC factions. There would probably need to be a few different ones, since each region has its own problems, but once you'd run one Redemption arc, you'd never be able to run it again.